dustydreamsanddirtyscars said: Frankly. Dean can’t even be fully sure if it’s really Sam talking or if it’s Zeke mimicking him in order to undermine Dean made the right choice & therefore leading him on. To me Zeke def has the potential to develop into Dean’s Ruby. And tbh I love that.

I very very much dislike the bolded idea! Because it means, well, we kind of lose Sam as long as he’s possessed by Zeke if we think like that, doesn’t it? We can argue ANYTHING that Sam says or does isn’t Sam but Zeke pretending, so it becomes an easy handwave for stuff Sam says or does that people might not personally like… so… idk, I’m weary of thinking like that :/

Also, I like it MUCH BETTER if Sam actually IS HAPPY with his life right now. Because it’s happiness based on lies and, well, betrayal. It will mean it will hit harder when he finds out the truth, I think? Because all the joy he thinks he’s earned for himself will have been earned via supernatural means, in a way he was adamently opposed to. It will make him question if it was right to feel happy, knowing he gained the happiness in a way he wouldn’t have chosen (and didn’t choose).

And it hurts Dean more if Sam is truly happy, I think? Because he’s aware that Sam is only happy because Dean went behind his back and did something Sam didn’t want, didn’t approve of. So the fact that Sam is happy, really happy, just serves to made Dean feel GUILTIER because of that, I’m thinking… because Sam is only happy because he doesn’t know the truth. Just like when Dean was proud and loyal to Cas in TMWWBK - which killed, because we all knew, CAS knew, that learning the truth about Cas’ deal would destroy Dean’s pride and trust in Cas immediately. Likewise Dean knows that if Sam learns the truth it’s going to destroy his happiness, and Dean knows he can’t keep this a secret forever… so how CAN he be happy that Sam is happy? How can it make him more certain of his decision? When he knows that Sam’s current happiness is only ever a hair’s breath away from being lost?

Does that make sense? I’m just typing out feelings here, I haven’t thought about this in depth yet…

I DO, however, like the idea of Zeke turning into Dean’s Ruby, that could be cool. I wanted that with Benny, so I’m still keen for it to happen :) But I’m torn, because I also want Zeke to be his own character and to not be evil/manipulative from the start but to maybe slowly descend into manipulation…

…although, the reverse might be cool too - Zeke starting out manipulative but learning to like/appreciate Sam and Dean and changing his mind… but, no, actually that would SUCK wouldn’t it? because it would mean the GUY who was DEAN’S FRIEND got the complex story where he changed his evil ways, while the FEMALE Ruby who was SAM’S FRIEND wasn’t strong enough, or didn’t recieve strong enough affection from Sam, to change her evil ways, so no, actually, let’s not do that!

UGH. I just don’t know what I want most. For Zeke to be a Ruby (because yay a GUY who was just evil all along and Dean was fooled by him and couldn’t save/change him), or for Zeke to HAVE a cool complex plot. UGH, why so DIFFICULT spn?

  1. waltzofrevenants-blog reblogged this from littlehollyleaf and added:
    *chimes in* If it’s for Zeke to be Dean’s Ruby (which is what I strongly believe will happen due to what he said to Dean...
  2. madamoftime said: Am I weird for not thinking Ruby was totally evil? She acted out of loyalty to her king, after all. Besides, good or evil or neither, Zeke is still “codependency and Dean’s wish to control and for perfect little brother Sam” in a character form imo.
  3. dustydreamsanddirtyscars said: No problem. We all have differing tastes and ideas after all, so no hard feelings. :) Guess we have to agree to disagree here. I’m gonna type up some longer explanation later though. :)
  4. forthetimebeing said: i vote for good intentions descending into manipulation in order to maintain the status quo while Dean starts getting impatient and Sam starts getting suspicious. also you’re right about the ‘losing Sam’ thing, it’s too convenient :/.
  5. littlehollyleaf posted this